My previous post and the publicity around the name of Cristiano De Angelis have uncovered a staggering number of testimonials from people throughout Asia. All of whom without exception had negative (sometimes very negative) things to say about the man and his behaviour1As an aside, the fact that he was able to so easily slip from one person to the next and leave such a trail of universally negative experiences, without anybody successfully connecting the dots until now, raises some serious question about the safety mechanisms built into Couchsurfing..
To clearly show that my friend’s incident in Kyoto is not an isolated claim, I have taken the liberty to gather all sourced testimonials posted on CS threads or in the comments to my original blog post, and copy them below in chronological order. People (understandably) concerned about the credibility of my sole voice may want to look through these: while they may not fall under criminal law, they all paint an unambiguously negative portrait of a rude, untrustworthy, sexually aggressive and deceitful individual.
There is also a clear evolution: as he gets farther from home (and, presumably, from people who may recognise him and report his behaviour to his friends and family), Mr. De Angelis becomes increasingly rude and aggressive in his encounters.
Every single quote comes with a link to the source and to the poster’s public Couchsurfing profile (every single one of them have themselves flawless profiles, sometimes totaling hundreds of positive reviews from visitors):
#1 – Faro, Portugal, mid-2011
I met this strange “person” same months ago in one meeting at Artistas as well.
I remember my sister was with me and said this guy started have a sexual conversation with her. Of course i spoke with the guy and he stop. But was not nice and bad example for my sister start hearing about couchsurfinf..
#2 – Bangkok, Thailand, late 2011
I hosted him one night in Bangkok and I had my first negative experience hosting this guy. His profile looked good with a lot of references. I felt uneasy the very first minute I met him but I tried to tell myself that i thought too much cus my previous CSer was terrific.
Luckily that nothing “that far” happened to me and you know what I did. He tried to talk sexually topic with me and i felt very uncomfortable. I had to tell him I am homosexual and not interested in guys!!! I didnt know what to do so I thought that might turn him off. I was alert the whole night cus I didnt trust him. He used my computer and Internet a lot, talked very loud on skype, made a mess in my apartment and bathroom. He also complained about the a/c, mattress and the floor. I wrote it clearly that I can only provide floor space and mattress and in the middle of the night he asked to sleep in the bed with me which of course I strongly said no.
After he left, talked to few friends that I was going to leave a negative comment for him. Before doing that, I wrote to two people in Europe who hosted him and left negative comment. They shared with me the bad experience. But the two hosts were men. So the experience was something about his rudeness and srtangeness. I then left him a negative comment. Later he must have seen the comment I left, he had been trying to call me day and night but I didn’t answer his phone because I did not want to speak with him. I assumed that he would ask me to change the comment as he did to one host in Germany. This host left him a negative comment and he called him asking him to change it which he refused. After that day & night with many calls from Cristiano, the net few days, I found that his profile with a lot of references was deleted.
[…]
For the ignorance of being a good couch surfer like helping keep the place clean, respecting your host, taking care of your own bill and etc., I could try to deal with these things because people are raised differently but the only thing I feel that it is insecure and agaisnt the morality is that it concerns sexual harrasment. I did not like when this person tried to talk to me about the sexual topic and I had to try to change the subject. The funny thing was I felt something not right about it and I had to say that I am homosexual and not interested in men. I mentioned that more that one time because he was not certain if I meant it. During the night, he compained about the mattress and the floor that it was too hard for him to sleep (I put my couch condition in my profile. He should know what he can expect before sending me a resquest and shoul not complain about something you know in advance.) and then asked if he could sleep in the bed with me. Of course i firmly said no and it sounds like I had a cold hard leaving him sleep in a bad condition. I could not sleep the whole night. I thought about asking him to leave immediately at 3 am in the morning which I am sure some of you might support me doing this but let me tell you why I did not do it. I thought that if i made him angry or whatsoever, what harm might come to me? I was alone in my place in the middle of the night, and I took him into my place.
After he left, I talked to some friends on CS, and even wrote to two people who left negative comments asking for the experience they had with him. My friends encouraged me to leave a negative comment and I eventually did it. I thought well before I did it. Before accepting to host him, I read his profile and saw that most of the comments were positive. Thats why I hosted him. However, after seeing the negative comment I left, he called me so many times, all day and night. I did not answer because I knew what he would ask me and I did not want to talk to him anymore. One of his hosts who left a negative comment told me that he got a call from this person asking him to change the comment. Few days later, I found out that his profile was deleted.
#3 – Siem Reap, Cambodia, October 2011
Ohmygoodness! He sent me a couch request, and had I not been hosting someone else at the same time, I probably would have hosted him! We met for dinner one night, thankfully with a third person, and both of us were really put off by his arrogance, his racial comments (which he claimed were based on his extensive research funded by various governments), and his general demeanor. He had been in town for most of the day, but had not found a hotel and was still carrying around his bags that night. He asked again to surf with me, even though I had already clearly declined. Despite his being very rude and offensive, I am surprised that he would go so far as to assault another person. Despicable.
#4 – Kyoto, Japan – late December 2011
Masato Miki dealt with Cristiano De Angelis and very reluctantly hosted him. He blogged about it (in Japanese) at the time and described in great details how rude, pushy and unpleasant Mr. De Angelis was (I will try to post an exact translation of his posts later on).
#5 – Kyoto, Japan – late December 2011
Cristiano De Angelis sexually assaulted my friend M., as detailed in this post. For obvious reasons, M. wants to remain anonymous (but she does have a public CS profile and has hosted or met dozens of Couchsurfers without a single issue ever). Feel free to peruse my own public profile, instead.
Here is a copy of one of the first message she sent me, shortly after the encounter, when I noticed she seemed upset and inquired over Facebook about whether anything had happened with her Couchsurfing guest (I, and other friends, met with her in person shortly afterward, where she further confirmed the exact nature of the assault):
First of all, he came to Kyoto one day earlier as I said and called me many many times which annoyed me so much.
Because I was working all day long, I couldn’t answer his phone call and also it was from someone else, not him, who called me.
When I was back home, I wrote a message to him about the place and time to meet up.
On the next day, I was working all day long too. I got many phone calls again during I was working and annoyed me again.
then, when I was going to the meeting point, I got another call by stranger’s mobile. I said I was coming but he was shouting to ask when I would be there. It was big stress after my work because of his loud and angry voice.
I met him and brought him to home. After a while, we went out to my friend’s party and enjoyed the time there.
After we went home, I put FUTON for him on the floor and I went to my bed to sleep. All of sudden, he came into my bed. I refused it so many times, but he didn’t go out. Besides, he forced me to have sex with me although I refused it so many times too.
You know, with man’s power, women can’t do anything.
Also when I was sleeping, he undressed me and I think he took some picture because I remember the sound of camera when I wake up.
Next morning, I said to him to leave my place as soon as possible. but he was saying some thing to stay at my place. I was hurrying for work and left before him but he said he would also leave in 10 min.
After my work, it was around 23:00, he was still at my place.
I asked the reason why he was still there. He said he lost his ticket to go to Tokyo and thought I might have had one. but it was impossible to have it with me because I only saw it for like 10 seconds and returned it to him. I think it was just an excuse to keep staying at my place.
In anyway, I asked him to leave from my place because now it was clear that I didn’t have his ticket.
but he refused it and asked me to stay here on that night too.
He said he prepared dinner and wine for me although there weren’t dinner nor wine after I looked around my room and knew it was all lie and excuse.
He kept saying all excuse he could think of, but I didn’t want to hear it and asked him to leave as soon as possible.
Then he took his things and left, but just before he left, he asked me not to write any negative reference.
I refused it of course because he deserves to get negative reference.
I put it on his page and he also wrote negative referent to me too. It’s so disgusting because I didn’t do anything wrong.
Now he deleted his profile page and I think he will create another one soon.
That’s all what happened to me
#6 – Tokyo, Japan, January 2012
I just had the nightmare couch surfing of my life!
This guy asked me to host for a night and supposed to leave in the next day but never left. I trusted him and gave him the keys of my place. I arrived home after the third night and discovered he brought some girl he found in the street to to have sex in my place. He also offered the champagne he found in my refrigerator to serve to this girl. Also never brought back home a fruit or a piece of bread. Used all my toiletry products, Just lived like it was his own house. Complained about my sofa bed was too hard, the air conditioner was not in the temperature he liked, my pillows was too soft. He don’t drink tap water and empty my mineral water container and my wifi signal was not that good. When i asked to he leave my place at 4am in the morning he ridiculously asked me he could stay till morning and offered me US$10 ! to pay for everything. Totally selfish and no sense. I will think twice before host anyone from couch surfing again, The Park Hyatt and the Hilton is just at the corner!He’s just deleted his profile! Shameless
Anderson Katayama [original post]
#7 – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – January 2012
I actually hosted this guy for a night with my two other housemates and yes, we can actually attest to what was written with him being delusional and eccentric and incredibly strange and sometimes rude. Thankfully, I’ve spoke to Abbey (Ambassador of KL) after Cristiano deleted his profile and I was highly suspicious of him but without any real evidence that this guy is a sociopath.
He didn’t try anything on me or on my housemates though he did mention that he’d marry me someday when he becomes the President of Brazil. We were already very suspicious and didn’t leave him alone at home or anything. We slept with our doors closed.
There are about 4-5 more testimonials (including 2 positive/neutral ones) that were posted in the comments to my original post. However none of them provided any identifying information or way to verify their accuracy. I have contacted their respective authors by emails. I will update this list if/when confirmation comes in (or if any other story surfaces, which wouldn’t surprise me at this point).
PS: while all the testimonials above have been copied without the slightest alteration, their presence in this post does not in any way imply that their authors necessarily condone the full content of my original post and the strong wording of my accusation. I alone take full responsibility for the claim of criminal conduct by Cristiano De Angelis that I outlined in it.
Update (01/18/2012):
Because this is just too incredible to let it stay buried in the comments, allow me to quote Mr. Cristiano De Angelis himself, ostensibly defending his behaviour in Kyoto:
Ok then that is enough. Let say all then (did not want say it before because I am a gentleman) because I am starting to be fed up with this story and with all of you that behave like little children and maybe you jealous of me.
1)She really liked me from the beginning and she asked me to go to bed with her!
She said never had a brazilian boyfriend and she knows brazilian are latin lover and powerful sex machine and could not sleep with me in another room because was thinking all the time about me. Keep in mind I am also young and quite attractive so that drove her crazy. So i did make her happy and did not to be unpolite and say not to a girl!
Do not know what happened in the morning in her mind, maybe she felt ashmed and so took my train thicket to make me feel guilty of something … maybe to make me feel guilty that I am so attractive??
2)Now,how many of you had a host or has been hosted by someone you felt attractive and had a night stand? I think more or less all of you, couchsuring is real life like meeting someone out, sometimes you feel attraction with someone and lot of people want and go for it but in the following morning maybe they feel hembarassed because in their culture is not cummon to behave like that. One day when I will go back to Japan ( and I will because I like Japanaise girl), I am sure she will host me again because I sow into her eyes from the fist minute how much she was attracted by my phisical appareance. I know all the girls usually act like that…Cristiano de Angelis [original comment] [Logged IP: 87.19.221.162 (Rome, Italy)]
With such a defense, who needs accusers?
Update (01/19/2012):
#8 – Faro, Portugal – August 2011
Ele e horrivel!!! Nunca mais!!!
He has lack of manners and verrrrrry rude attitude. Arrogante!
Fortunatelly, I Did’t have sexual problem with him.Ele nao me falou,a mas parecia querer ficar mais umas noites no meu lugar. No dia que ele teve de sair(eu falei pra ele que teve que sair e ele nao pode ficar mais commigo.), as todas coisas deles estava deixadas no meu quarto quando eu voltei a tarde.
Mas consegui mandar ele fora do meu lugar, mas tive uma experiencia ruim.
Puta que pariu. E ele!Another more thing I want to say, he used my room very dirty.
He is very weired person. I’ve never met a arrogant person like him. I think he doesn’t have any respect for other people or country. He always talked loudlly bad things about Portugal in Faro.
He just abuse CS.Kaori Takegami (via email)
Translation of the Portuguese text (by Prabal):
He is horrible, never again
He told me no, but seemed to want to stay a few more nights at my place.On the day he had to leave (I told him I had to leave and he can not stay with me more.)- All the things one was left in my room when I came back that afternoon.
But I managed to send him out of my place, but I had a bad experience.
God damn it. And him!
As mentioned above, Mr. De Angelis is well aware of the existence of these accusations and this post (in fact, my logs show that he obsessively checks this blog for updates and comments). Recently, he posted in a few places (this blog included) a list of alleged positive references from his previous Couchsurfing profiles (that he had himself deleted), revealing information that only he had access to, with the nice side-effect of unambiguously proving that he is, indeed, the author of those other comments.
If there is one thing that has become clear from this story (and the dozen testimonials above), it would be that Mr. De Angelis’ word should not be taken at face value. I sent each Couchsurfer a short note, trying to give only few details on the story so as to not unduly bias their opinion, while imparting a sense that a quick and truthful reply was important. I was only mildly surprised when the replies started coming back:
So far, nine of the people listed in his positive references replied to my message. All these people have well-established CS profiles, with many positive references from unrelated parties and I have no reason to doubt their word.
Out of these nine, one person (Ricardo) unreservedly vouched for his character based on his longstanding relationship with him (in fact, they have been in close contact ever since all this broke out). Four other (Radostina, Leo, Mariana and Anita [who does not want her CS profile disclosed]) stated that the reference was accurate, that they had met him (however briefly or long ago) and that he had behaved in a polite and unremarkable way with them.
Unlike negative testimonials, I am not quoting the above five people’s “non-negative” messages for one major reason (beside trying to keep the length of this post manageable): I absolutely refuse to acknowledge Mr. De Angelis’s twisted arithmetic of character references, where one can offset a few deeply negative references by some positive ones. This is not how things work: being a halfway-decent human being some time, does not allow one to behave like a scumbag the rest of the time. What your mum or best friend has to say about you when you are on your best behaviour is not relevant: it is what you do to people when you think nobody is watching, that matters. At any rate, all these positive references are widely available (here for example), since Mr. De Angelis has made them the central element of his defense.
More importantly, here is what the remaining four had to say about their “positive” reference and Cristiano De Angelis:
Mochan wrote:
私は、掲示板で問題になっている男性と、その他のＣＳメンバーと一緒に数日間日本国内を旅行しました。
とりたてて公にするような大きな問題はありませんでした。
私は、彼よりもわがままなＣＳメンバーと会ったことがあります。
私は、彼よりも、お金に汚いＣＳメンバーに会ったことがあります。
そして私は、彼よりも何十倍も無礼で、腹の立つＣＳメンバーに会ったことがあります。私は、思います。
彼に関して、みなさんが様々なことを書かれていますが、この件は、Couchsurfingのルール改定や運営改善、この地球に生きている全ての人間の成長のチャンスだと。
他の人間と明るい未来を信じる方向で、こういった問題に取り組むのか？
それとも、いわゆる常識の枠組みの中からこぼれてしまう人を異端として排斥するのか？
Couchsurfingというヴァーチャル・コミュニティーの総意が、どんな判断を下すのか、わかりませんが、彼のみの問題や一般論・感情論の視野狭窄に陥ることなく、十分な情報収集（人間行動学・心理学など）と、長期的視野による判断で、Couchsurfingの究極のmission達成が、成し遂げられることを願っています。
(I will post a translation later: the gist of it is that Cristiano wasn’t exactly forthcoming in presenting Mochan’s “positive” review)
Aron wrote:
I hosted him despite two negative references which appeared pretty harmless and I felt that otherwise he seemed to fit the other descriptions that people had left of him. He was a nice guy and filled with what I would consider ‘positive’ energy, however in hindsight he was acting a little inappropriate around my 22 year old female cousin who I was also hosting at the time. He was charming enough and didn’t cross what I would have considered ‘the line’ but he definitely made her uncomfortable a few times and at one point came into my bedroom where she was sleeping and got into bed with her and tried to kiss her. At the time I just considered this a cultural misunderstanding as I know that people from southern Europe and South America are a bit more persistent with women so it didn’t really bother me but, at the same time, having met the guy myself I could see how the right circumstances and cultural differences could certainly have caused an inappropriate situation as he is definitely a bit pushy. Ultimately however, I’m quite surprised by the accusation and don’t think that he is a ‘bad person’ but I suppose I could be wrong.
Flavio wrote:
I just read your blog in regards of Cristiano De Angelis.
I felt shocked because I met him more that once and I hosted him one time before having a fight with him. I am shocked because I hosted him in february 2011 and despite he deserved a negative reference I didn’t gave him.
My brief account:
1)I met him during a cultural walk of Venice and I noticed him annoying women because he asked them to go out having a drink with them after 10 minutes he met them, and I suggested that was not the right behaviour since he would not have got have chance of getting to know a girl having such a wild approach.
2) I met him during a drink organized by couchsurfers in Venice, nothing to say, he seemed just proud of his country and mocking others.
3) After he wrote me many times, I allowed him to be host at my place in Venice one night in February 2011 during the carneval.
I told him he needed to leave before 15 next day because I was expecting 4 friend for the big celebration. We went to a party the night before and he forced a girl to kiss him (she was drunk) and them she left. Nothing happened then. Next day he begged me to leave him my keys and I gave them to him on the condition to be given back before 17 pm because I had a big celebration and dinner with my frinds (it was the best day of carnival, they were coming from far awat). He met with a girl he knew and begged me to allow him to come to my place once he had persuaded her to stay.
I am a very direct person and I told him that he needed to give me my keys before 18 otherwise I would have thrown him into a canal (I spent all day with my friends). I had to wait until 21, calling him 20 times and threatened him again and again for meeting him and having my keys back. His plan was to bring that girl to my place, he begged me many many times to give him the chance to stay alone with her. I heard months after that he managed to take that girl to another couchsrfing’s home and have sex with her, because he wrote that he was worried that his availability helped him to get her.
[…]
Actually I never left him any positive reference. I should have given him a negative when he behaved in a way I found unacceptable.
I yelled at him and told him never ever to try to contact me again,
but no negative reference.Yes you can quote my words and link my profile, no problem. Some things are simply more important than privacy.
Julie wrote:
Although I can’t say I’m not fully surprised at Cristiano’s questionable behavior, I did write that review. In truth I would never host him again, and maybe should have been more honest about that. So no, it didn’t reflect my true feelings. I’m sorry. It sounds bad now, but I guess I just didn’t want to hurt his feelings. He didn’t do anything “wrong” that I can put my finger on, but I got an unsettling feeling from his presence. It’s nothing I could really describe in a review anyways, I guess. He was just intense and abrasive and it was difficult communicating with him about the exact duration of his stay (I planned on one night and he ended on staying two). I was curious as to why he deleted his profile. . . I hope that helps! Sorry for not being more honest with the review. I just don’t know how to put into words why it was an uncomfortable experience. I vow to write honest reviews from now on. It’s important for the community. I’m sorry again for not being truthful. Please let me know if you have any further questions.
There you have it. All these “positive” reviews that Cristiano De Angelis is currently flaunting around, as if they somehow cancelled the barrage of negative testimonials…
Although I have generally stopped updating this page with each new communication I receive about him, Cristiano de Angelis is still very much alive and hasn’t given up on harassing females, the world around.
I get on average two to three emails a month, from women he approached with more or less forcefulness, usually trying to get them to stay at his house with crazy stories of his accomplishments in Brazil and pictures of his “family”. So much so, that his would-be victims end up googling his name and find this page.
From the look of it, he is operating from the south of France (Marseilles), but is not past travelling to other parts of Europe to harass random women (also spotted in Belgium and Italy, among others).
Update 11/27/2012:
Countless recent testimonies have placed Cristiano de Angelis in Berlin (trying to con his way into yet another “research student” position), where he has managed to get hosted through CouchSurfing again (thanks to yet another fake profile) and be a general nuisance to the local population. In fact, he has been so aggressively pursuing local women (his usual “stalk anything that moves” technique when in Europe) that, by complete coincidence, he ended up pulling one of his stalkerish douchebag move on a friend of mine from Kyoto (who only realised who he was, when googling his name, after one weird email too many).
Since I don’t quite believe in coincidence, I can only imagine the staggering number of women he must approach on a regular basis…
Want to read more ranting and observations about this case? Have some objections on the morality/legality of these accusations? Right this way please!
Hey!
I’m at Braga, Portugal. I found out that this guy was at my university for a period of time. Do let me know if I can help gathering info. I can esially reach the department and possible his colleagues and professors
http://3rdistphdstudenteswinterworkshop.blogspot.com/2011/02/marketing-intelligence.html
Hi folks!
Reading all this comments and specially one Cristiano replied at
http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=8492&post=11165537#gpid11165537 via CS friend yesterday.
The only thing intrigues me is all the spelling from this posts above and the one writing yesterday (one is awfully wrote and the other one is fine doesn’t seams to be the same writer) .
I don’t have anything to say about this guy because I never met him and I don’t know any friends of him so I just can read all.
For sure if this history end in a bad or good way justice must come and work towards the best side.
Keep posting, xx.
OK, time to step in.
People: I appreciate the comments and the help… But I think it is time to calm things down regarding the personal information and speculations.
Don’t worry: I am not off Cristiano’s case. And Google certainly won’t any time soon.
But at the current time, there is unfortunately no need for more personal contact data about him: his whereabouts, email etc. are publicly available in quantities of places and he is not a hard moron to track. But in the absence of an international police warrant against him, there is little to do there. And while I am perfectly fine with the accusations presented here (bring the libel suit on, Cristiano, let’s see how that works out for you), public harassment (of people who may have nothing to do with this) is not a line that I will even get close to.
Similarly, I am a lot less interested in speculating about whatever clinical issues might be the root cause of his behaviour and would much prefer to focus on factual reports by people who have interacted with him or know him.
I hope you will all understand why I would prefer this page not turn into a hodgepodge of insults and rumours. The reality of his case is bad enough as it is.
In this spirit, I will therefore start removing comments that do not fall into the category of personal testimonial and factual reports.
@Claudia: despite how incredibly bad he sounds, I am quite certain all these comments are his.
Without going over all the technical reasons to think so, there’s one very simple one: at least one of the comments he posted is provably his, as it contained private information regarding past hosts of his (I edited it out in order to verify first with them). Had any other comments not be his, I am sure he would have pointed it out.
So yea… All his.
Hello,
I am not a CSer, but I met M de Angelis last night, had a
meeting with him today and when he didn’t show up, I went to find his
number on his site (he gave me his e-mail adress crietrindade@yahoo.fr
and told me the name of his site where I could find all his details. He
said that his phone had no more battery and he had no biz cards).
As
I was surfing on the net to find out more about him, I found the CS
threads and felt it very necessary to at least let you know he is in
Brussels now.
He actually just called (it was about 16:15 – 4:15
pm here) with an unknown number. I didn’t anwser, because I figured it
was him and didn’t know what to say. He sent me an email saying he has
no phone here and asked that we talk by Skype. His skype name is
iloverome. He suggests we have coffee tonight.
He was like people
describe – coming on strong (tried to make a pass, asked me if I had a
boyfriend, told his story in a way that wasn’t clear to me).
Fortunately, I was with friends and wanted to stay with them instead of
going along with him.
He said he had just come back from
Singapour after spending a few months in China, Japan and SE Asia. I
tried to find out what he was doing there. Said he interviewed people
for his work and thesis. He was stopping over in Brussels, staying with
friends and decided on the spur of the moment to go back to Rio where
his family lives (4 sisters, 2 bros) to rest for a month. He was looking
at the possibility of living in Brussels and says he will be here 2
more days.
Let me know if there is something I can do. Hope this helps.
Karen
source: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=1313&post=11090225
Hello,
I am not a CSer, but I met M de Angelis last night, had a
meeting with him today and when he didn’t show up, I went to find his
number on his site (he gave me his e-mail adress crietrindade@yahoo.fr
and told me the name of his site where I could find all his details. He
said that his phone had no more battery and he had no biz cards).
As
I was surfing on the net to find out more about him, I found the CS
threads and felt it very necessary to at least let you know he is in
Brussels now.
He actually just called (it was about 16:15 – 4:15
pm here) with an unknown number. I didn’t anwser, because I figured it
was him and didn’t know what to say. He sent me an email saying he has
no phone here and asked that we talk by Skype. His skype name is
iloverome. He suggests we have coffee tonight.
He was like people
describe – coming on strong (tried to make a pass, asked me if I had a
boyfriend, told his story in a way that wasn’t clear to me).
Fortunately, I was with friends and wanted to stay with them instead of
going along with him.
He said he had just come back from
Singapour after spending a few months in China, Japan and SE Asia. I
tried to find out what he was doing there. Said he interviewed people
for his work and thesis. He was stopping over in Brussels, staying with
friends and decided on the spur of the moment to go back to Rio where
his family lives (4 sisters, 2 bros) to rest for a month. He was looking
at the possibility of living in Brussels and says he will be here 2
more days.
Let me know if there is something I can do. Hope this helps.
Karen
source: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=1313&post=11090225
[inappropriate comment removed. I know this is meant as a joke, but I want this page to remain as close to factual as can be. No threats of violence here, please. — Dave]
anyway, even though CS is an awesome community where the vast majority are cool considerate open minded people, there will always be parasites, just be aware of them… The way a person writes a mail, or messages or does any form of communication says a lot about him/her (yes, women too!)… I’m a 1m90 guy, so not afraid to host anyone, and if I don’t like them, they’ll go, but if I was a girl, dunno… I wouldn’t host anyone without at least say 10 good references and a decently filled in profile, or has been vouched for by people, is verified, etc… just be aware of your strengths and weaknesses, no shame in that, and it will save you a heap of trouble… don’t forget you normally also have friends or people you know that will be at your doorstep in case of trouble, CALL THEM or text them if shit happens…
I’d like to think of myself as a decent guy, and it’s because of guys like him that girls or women won’t host men, afraid something bad might happen, makes me pissed off…
that said, what he does is the lowest of the lowest, but some people, don’t know how, just are like that… avoid them is the solution…
be happy, be safe,
Mark
Cristiano claims he has a flight booked to Rio on this Wednesday 25 January. It doesn’t help his victims in Europe & Asia any, but at least he cannot harm more people abroad. His own people should be the best to deal with him. I hope it is true & not a distraction to make us think he went back home, & try to shake us off his tail. People stay alert & think of ur safety please in case he changes his profile again.
Regards to all & Happy Chinese New Year!
Daniel
Isn’t this time to seriously think about creating a decent, legal and for our own good small CS intelligence/security branch? Not some stuff like CIA of course but a few CS volonteers qualified on the field… cops, journalist, that kinda people.
You know, to coordinate and that kinda stuff… To select intels we have. What is SURE, what is probable, what is unlikely.
A good start would also be to create a common place (a CS group maybe?) to share, dispatch informations. Maybe considering setting a strategies. I think identifying PRECISELY where this guy is living and sending a lotta of letters to his jobs (from every corner of the world) might be a good pressure strategy.
Thats called lobbying and its plain time CS use this amazing solidarity network to shield its members.
I personnaly think this Karen story is BS. Look like disinformation to me.
Anonymous, unreliable source.
Plus what is that CSer “that is not a CSer”?
Hey Dave,
I’m thinking of writing up something about this soon on an online magazine that I contribute for. Do you have an e-mail/skype/or screen name I can contact you through? You should see my address stamped on my comment, I believe.
Thanks,
Brett
Hi, I’m a couchsurfer that just came upon this terrifying story. I googled the guy, and have a few questions/remarks.
Mainly this; is “Cristiano de Angelis” really this guys real name? It appears it is the name of a recurrent fictional caracter in a seriers of extremely bad commercial “romance novels” by a certain Cathy Williams. See here:
http://www.amazon.com/Italians-One-Night-Love-Child-Romance-Largeprint/dp/0263212157/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327360853&sr=1-1
The french description is even more telling: http://www.amazon.fr/Captive-dun-regard-Escapade-Norvège/dp/2280215055
“De Angelis” is a perfect stranger that walks into the apprtment “Bettany” is keeping during the holidays, they felle “immediate” attraction, passion, and so on, and then have wild sex….
Doesn’t this sound similar to what this guy pretends or fantasizes to be doing?
So could it be that this guy is travelling under a fake identity to live out his fantasy copied from these really cheap “romance novels”?
As to his purported professional activity: some have remarked that he couldn’t be at the same time a professor AND a Phd student— since you need a phd to be a professor (althought he could be an assistant professor). According to his website, he appears to be a private “teacher” which in latin languages is called “professor”, as he seems to be offering private lessons for the “vestibular”, that is entry-exams to University. Another site lists him as an “independent researcher”… , so he isn’t affiliated to any University or research institution. That he calls his site “professorangelis.com” seems suspicious to me too, a real professor would not need this title in the domain name…
He definitively seems delusional to me, and I believe travelling under a fake identity.
@belsha:
These are all very good points. I also did google and find that cheesy novel character… Yet I’m still inclined to think it’s just an uncanny coincidence (though I’m with you and would really like some stronger evidence). My reasons to believe this is his real name so far would be:
– there were multiple times where he left a paper trail, including travel documents, which would seem difficult to fake (or use with a fake identity, in those days where a passport is mandatory to get a flight ticket)
– while all his websites and alleged “positions” are indeed very contradictory and at the very least “inflated”, his name does pop up on some official websites (such as university or gvt websites). These would be hard to fake.
– his name also appears in a couple (thoroughly mediocre and not very convincing) research papers. That would be easier to fake, but still require an amazing amount of effort and preparation.
– in addition to all the above, the fact that he does not appear to be particularly bright (read his comments if you need convincing) would tend to make me doubt his ability to pull such a huge deception… He is merely smart enough to delete his profile and move on, each time somebody spots his crap.
That being said: none of his alleged “advisors” contacted have so far deigned to reply anything and that’s a bit suspicious (it could very well be that they do not want to be involved or to disclose private information, but you would imagine they would at least mention if he was not a student of theirs).
@Brett: sent you an email
@Daniel: thanks for the info. Where did you read it?
@Lakalshdu34: first, I don’t really like your needlessly confrontational tone toward Karen. There really aren’t reasons to doubt her or her word (who would it benefit??) and she’s contacted me through email as well as CS, with quite a lot of details proving she would not be some random reader of this blog.
For that matter you are an anonymous, unreliable source on this blog (she at least uses her first name).
As for that “CS intelligence” thing you describe: no offense, but it sounds rather silly (or worse) to me. What CS needs is certainly not some sort of international vigilante team: there’s a police for that. It needs a team of competent IT people and DB admins, with access to the CS database and able to do data mining and information pulling to spot that sort of suspicious behaviour before it leads to such consequences… And this is not really something that can be organised at the volunteer level: the current corporate management of CS needs to take care of it (and doesn’t seem willing to). I’ll certainly write more about this soon on this blog.
Hi guys I’m back!
Dave please let us know how M is & how is she coping with her trauma? Can she seek professional counselling in Japan?
Regarding the fake ID, yes it is possible if he changed his name legally or stole someone’s identity before I think 2007 or so when chipped passports came into effect. If one had had a fake passport until late 90s it would still have been easy to change for a real one. During 2000s if u had a genuine non-chipped passport u could send it back for a chipped one which now have true details in the chip, even the photo page has been tampered with. It is almost impossible to travel on fake or stolen passports nowadays.
Regarding the policing of CS, in an ideal world yes. In the west if one works with children or the elderly, one needs a criminal records check looking for sex abuse/theft/fraud etc history. In an independent online community such as CS it is impossible.
This is the last and third message I write in this blog, because I think it’s getting too speculative, based on really negative assumptions about my character .
All people are different, and as stated by some CS, either the people love me or they hate me.
All negative comments about my behavior are not strong enough to prove what I am being accused.
From both sides there is no evidence that something wrong was done. What happens it is that people take the accusation as if it was true and they are influenced to answer aggressively against me.
People write in my name, say they know me or they have seen me, but I’ve never seen them or been there.
All people should be responsable for their actions as an invasion of my privacy and publication of false comments.
I still do not understand why this accusation appears, because once again I say that it was a consensual relationship, I mean, without showing something wrong before, during and after…
How come a person who was allegedly raped, goes to work, leaving me at home studying, as she wrote in her post? Only when she came back and I asked for the missed ticket from my wallet in her house, she asked me to leave.
And after more than two weeks, she made up this crazy story.
I never used to say bad things about people, but in this case, I have the feeling that this girl has some character deviation to create this nonsense story.
@Cristiano:
Your last message? Good. Considering you keep repeating the same incoherent justifications without answering anything, I don’t think there is much you can add.
First, you write that this is your “last and third” message. But you have definitely written more than twice before. I have personally blocked any comment using your name that was not from you (unlike CS, I have enough IT knowledge to spot stupid impersonation attempts). If any of the previous messages on these pages marked from ‘Cristiano’ are not yours, now is the time to speak up (but I have your IP logs, so you will have to be very convincing).
You are perfectly right that most of the people’s testimonials against you do not prove that you are a rapist. They merely prove that you are a rude, untrustworthy, pathological liar who harasses women and has repeatedly abused the CS system for his own gain and protection. With that established, my friend’s unambiguous claim that you raped her (and your incoherent attempt at justifying your behaviour) are what prove to me that you are a rapist.
As I told you before, she certainly did not wait two weeks (and even if she had, as I explained since, it would not mean much): she was upset and possibly traumatised and told me (and others) the story, only a few hours after you left. The only reason we waited a week to publish this, is that we were still hoping for CS or police action (and we had not yet realised how widespread your abuse was).
As I said many times before: come back to Japan (you sure seem to have a good-enough budget to travel the world) and take me to court. We’ll see how it goes for you.
As for “character deviation”, you are the sick man, Cristiano, do not forget that. I actually truly believe that you do not see anything wrong in any of your actions: it does not make them acceptable, merely means that you need professional help.
Dave: I am not a source, I am a person giving advices. I don’t think an advice can be considered “unreliable.” like a source would.
As for a group of vigilante, I think its better than a single vigilante like you.
Every corporation have a private security unit. And guess WHAT? CS is now a corporation! So my suggestion was not stupid, unreliable or a fake testimony. Its a possibility. CS hiring a private detective full time is not a stupid suggestion.
Now an anonymous source is by definition unreliable. Always remembers what make this guy the subject of the warning is the many (more or really less) unreliables non-anonymous source.
If it was only your jamanese friend, it would her words against his. But its not, its a good dozen (something like that? more?) words against his. Logically there is something fishy.
You don’t like the idea of vigilente team but there is much you need to learn about intelligence gathering, use and counter-use.
Hi Dave:
I arrived here via a link posted on one of the CS message boards. Although not directly related to your original issue it made me think of what the CS community can do to promote safety for all hosts…
I am female and I live alone and I recently had my first non-positive hosting experience. In short I’d call this guy a creep-in-training.
This person — a male — had no negative references although one of his several positive references mentioned a “major misunderstanding”. I agreed to host this person and at the outset he seemed very friendly and agreeable. There were a series of awkward moments and I believe my instincts to repeatedly give him the benefit of the doubt (i.e., allowing for cultural differences) were wrong in hindsight.
Fortunately there were no “physical” boundaries broken. However even though I mentioned very shortly after meeting this person that I had a boyfriend (as I got enough of a weird “vibe” that this person might be interested in me in a non-platonic way to use this tactic — a no-fail for non-creeps) the following topics came up in conversation:
1. If I’d ever dated anyone from his country
2. If I’d be open to polyamory
3. If he could give me a massage (the “non-creepy” kind, in his words).
Ew. Just ew.
The massage thing happened late at night and he was scheduled to leave first thing the next morning. I say scheduled because he “overslept” too late for the agreed-upon transit option. When he finally left he ended up “missing the bus” and coming back (also he “forgot his phone charger” and need to come in). I didn’t not let him back in my apartment.
So why didn’t I run immediately to my computer and leave him a neutral or negative reference? The three events I highlighted did not happen in quick succession but were spaced out over the course of two days — maybe there was room for a (cultural) misunderstanding? No. The reason is that I was afraid that if I left him a negative reference he would leave me a negative reference in retaliation (basically attempting to protect his reputation by smearing mine).
This seems to be one of the hallmarks of CS creeps: I’ve seen multiple cases where even when the surfer’s initial reference was glowingly positive once the host mentions anything negative about their experience hosting a person — even feeling uncomfortable — the surfer “remembers” a slew of negative things about the host and revises their original positive reference to negative.
So back to your friend “M”. It appears through your follow-up to Cristianos’ connections that there were cases where creepy or creep-in-training behavior was omitted by hosts/friends — maybe for the same reasons I did not write a negative reference based on my own experience described above.
What is essential to the continuing success of CS is that people faithfully write truthful references for each hosting/surfing experience. I think that often non-positive things are omitted because people aren’t sure if a line was crossed. But, in terms of my own experience, I felt uncomfortable so A LINE WAS CROSSED. Unchecked, creeps-in-training can evolve into creeps and — unfortunately — criminals.
I don’t have an action plan in mind (other than writing a long overdue negative reference for my male surfer). What are your thoughts?
@ FemaleHost
Wow, surely one can imagine the guy..typical kind of the CS guy who is doing it just in case he will get lucky with “that tourist girl”…trying to explore the limits by making conversation about relationships, sex, suggesting “innocent” physical touches, like the massage, etc…Unfortunately I think MOST of the men are like this, I can see it for example in my male friends who are NOT on CS, as everytime that I host a beautiful girl they look at me with that look of -or even tell me- “you lucky bastard, you are going to have a good time tonight”, like it is CERTAIN that we will sleep together or like CS is about having sex….After seeing some of them entering the CS community, I m pretty sure that the earlier male users of CS are generally normal and safe, but those who joined after, because they were seeing those pioneer CSers hanging around with -sometimes- beautiful girls, joined the community to get some share of that….unfortunately 🙁
As you say, yes, maybe the solution is to post the negative reference no matter what…you might get one back, but you ll have all the other positive ones, and besides, if it will come down to that -getting also a negative reference from him- the majority will know who is usually the one to blame…plus you may give the courage to other hosts/visitors of his to change perhaps their reference to a true one, if for example they gave him a neutral one… 😉
All the best and I wish more luck the next times,
Christos.
@Dave: yes, i finally saw those research papers too, so I was wrong with my indeed very “literary” assumptions…
@FemaleHost: your guest definitvely had awkard, obnoxious, pathetic and somewhat inappropriate behaviour. But then again, he didn’t do anything wrong. Making stupid proposals and asking silly questions doesn’t make you a potential rapist, or a “creep-in-training”.
So I’m not sure if this warrants a negative reference. Giving a reference on CS judges the couchsurfer and not the person. You might find someone antipathetic, boring, obnoxious or weird, even though he behaves correctly as a guest. I probabl just wouldn’t leave a reference at all.
And Dave, the point I’ve made to “femalehost” is my problem with your argument here. You’re basically saying that M”s very grave accusation is corroborated by testimonials of a great number of other couchsurfers. This, plainly, is not the case.
M accuses C.de.A of rape, which is a very serious crime.
Your testimonials depict an arrogant, rude, selfish, bizarre, delusionary caracter. Those are all good reasons to avoid a person, to give negative references on CS, to not be friends with someone, etc. But none of those are serious felonies as rape.
Being arrogant, rude, selfish, bizarre, delusionary DOES NOT make you a rapist. As a matter of fact, so called “sociopaths” usually are extremely smooth, socially highly competent people, that precisely for that reason succeed in deceiving and abusing others while going completely unnoticed.
The argument is as naive as the counter-arguments of C.de.A’s friends, that in a nutshell say that C.de.A is such a nice guy that he never could be a rapist. No, “nice guys” can be rapists, terribly aintipathetic, asocial people can be quite harmless…
This said without in the least implying that C.de.A. is innocent, we have much more reasons to believe M”s testimonial than his.
@FemaleHost: As Christos said (and in strong disagreement with belsha’s otherwise reasonable point): you need to post a negative (or at the very least neutral) review.
I agree with belsha that inferring that he is a “creep-in-training” might be a bit strong (and should probably be left out of your review, which should be objective and factual, for such a case)… However, his behaviour is 100% inappropriate and shows a clear misunderstanding of what CS is about. At best, the guy clearly sees CS as a dating service and a cheap way to get hosted while hitting on women. While this does not make him a criminal, it is still an element that should be told to other potential (female) hosts, without exaggeration or insinuation… With these elements, it is up to his future hosts to judge whether they are comfortable hosting him, but at least they have all the pieces to decide.
I think Cristiano’s story shows quite clearly that CSers tend to overlook the negative way too much in their reviews. Even when if it does not lead to such horrible results, it could still lead to many unhappy hosting experiences…
@belsha: you are partially right in comparing people who describe Cristiano as “a nice guy” and the fact that being a pathological liar doesn’t make him a rapist… And many rapists are indeed a lot more discreet (and liked by people). But as you point out yourself, what makes him a rapist is the combination of this clear portrait of an untrustworthy individual, which completely discredits his word against M’s (in my opinion).
Dave,
Thanks for giving a shit about this community! I wish the owners of CS website were more interested.
I’ve run into just a couple problems with people deleting profiles and one was a man running an orphanage and asking for money. It was a very difficult decisionwhat to tell about a man who was deceiving yet had the future of many innocents linked to his actions. For this reason CS owners need to develop some better methods to deal with ‘questionable’ people deleting their accounts and making new ones.
I think you have done a service to the community with this page.
Salut!
Nealio
Dave, of course femalehost can legitimally leave a negative reference.
My issue with many of these remarks is the problem of “hindsight” often pointed out. Many people said, “I thought he was ok”, ” I thought he was a nice guy” etc, and only by “hindsight” I realized that “actually” etc etc The problem is that the “hindsight” (as always) occured AFTER they learned C.d.A was a rapist, information which then altered their judgement and chnaged their interpretation of the events. Events are vrey easy to predict once they occured…
If this guy did what he is accused off he should have been put on the back of a cart, taken out and shot.
Having said that he put himself in a position where the chance of any conviction would be almost impossible. It would have been the “Victims” word against his. I am an ex police officer of 9 years and I have seen this scenario too often.
When lone females agree to host either a lone male or more than one male they must satisfy themselves that the person they are hosting is genuine.
The warning bells and buzzers were sounding loud and clear about this guy, even before this incident. I have no idea for what reason she could give for wanting to host him.
Regardless of what reasons she had of not going to the police the end result is that she did not and he has got away free.
I think an eye should be kept out for this guy in case he comes back but also that a line be drawn under the matter and everyone gets on enjoying CS.
Steve
First: I should thanks Dave and all of you.
Second: I become very famous now and I am using other sources, i.e hospitality club.
Many single girls there heard about the story and are really very interested in me and they want to host me to see if I am the real ‘macho’ as all the peole told in those stories.
Finally:I am having more dates now than in all the months in Asia.
Thanks again and please spread more my name and voice so that I can show to all the ladies I will met that everything is true and I am so handsome and really the powerful brazilian sex machine.
Cristiano
Hi guys.
I’m afraid my name has been misused by Cristiano De Angelis as proof of his good standing.
Something like two years ago I left on his page a polite comment: he had been my first CS guest and for this reason at that time I tried to be positive, but after reading your comments I feel responsible and now I think I did a mistake…
As far as I could see at that time, Cristiano was not a bad guy. But I would say that his behaviour had appeared to me not very respectful of the code of hospitality. He didn’t recognize (or didn’t want to) what his host expected from the guest.
I prefer not to explain on a public blog what was wrong in his conduct like CS guest, but I definitely don’t think that he fits with the goals of Couch Surfing and I hope he will not bother other people “in my name”…
Andrea (Padova – Italy)
Some Portuguese explanations: In Brazil, you don’t need a PhD to become professor… BTW, in Portuguese, teacher means “professor”; we have no difference between both terms. AND, if he is truly half Brazilian-Italian, he might have both passports, using the Italian one for travelling (that would be much more difficult to make it fake).
https://www.facebook.com/angelis.cristiano?sk=wall
fouind his facebook if anyone wants to plunder ….
Iam a braziliam lady teacher ,sociologista retired from de federal servant job in the capital city Brasilia, where he was before go to Italy, Portugal and…….. Iam new in couch surfer an now very terrified and ashemed because of this…Cristiano…
I search in Google brasil and verified tharthe is realy a economist and teacher at University of Santa Catarina,.Now he has high salary job at The Budget Ministery as Analist and received schorlarship to take doctor degree at Padua University- Italy until 2012. The number of his main braziliam document -CPF is:909.524640-04.
You can send all information about what he is doing with the public money in his trips …at UNIV of Padua,univ of Santa catarina ,and the Ministerio do planejamento e Gestao( you will find the website and email easily at Brasil google,,and at Brazil embassy in TOKYO,Malasia ..Also You can send to The Policia Federal .web site in Brazil.
Urgent……Please I didnt saw that he is posting here,,Please keep for you my info and delete the prior post…Lucia
THIS IS A LIEE!!! EVERYTHING IS JUST A LIE TO DESTROY THAT PERSON AND THEN THIS GUY CALL DAVE CAN MAKE A DOCUMENTAL ABOUT HOW CAN SOCIAL NETWORKS CAN DESTROY THE IMAGE OF ONE PERSON!!!
Thanks Dave,
I created this group in CS to keep record of crimes, criminals and their modus operandi in CS.
the idea is to have a place available in CS to look for information about crimes committed in CS to see if there is any resemblance between a reported person and a suspect we have in mind, and their behavior.
I think we have to create the safety means we need in CS on our own, as CS seems to be busy growing and taking care of itself and its own importance.
“CRIME, crimen: ROBBERY & Swindle, ROBO & Estafa, VOL & Arnaque… IN CS”
http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=10209
I hope this helps, thanks.
Dave ur a very good man. I for one am 100% behind u here. I’ve been lucky with my hosts; 100% good. Had a few bad surfers tho, including total freeloaders but no criminals yet.
Can we include freeloaders on this list too? They’re not dangerous but a nuisance & I think hosts deserve to know about their characteristics too.
Also I’ve noticed a number of “hosts” are actually not hosts at all, but trying to pull customers into backpacker lodges. This has happened to me once, & several of my guests have experienced similar replied to couchrequests. Can these people be included too, as well as criminals?
CS has changed over the 2 years since I joined, & not at all for the better. It’s sad to see that Casey Fenton’s dream has been ruined by a growing minority, but sadder still that he & his team are doing little to police CS. I wish he would realise this & act soon.
My regards to u Dave, & also to M, whom I pray is doing well.
& much love from Malaysia to all my CS brothers & sisters.
Dan
@Katherin De Marca, after reading all of this and all of the other links and threads I have to ask how can so many separate reports in so many different languages from so many different people in so many different countries all be lying and all at different time intervals along the same person’s exact itinerary? What this is is another intance of the internet age exposing the behavior of someone much like dictators whose reigns have ended over the past several months all due to their inability, for the first time ever, to sneak around in the shadows and their inability to stop people from sharing information. Maybe he will eventually surf a prison and complain about the food.
My heart aches for M. Do not allow that person to dim your light or change who you are, your greatness, your power, your care for others. Your courage to tell your friend Dave may very well be the catalyst that ends up saving countless other women from this. That is what shows me you are great and powerful.
Peace from Texas
Dave,
This thread is now quite old, but I got linked to it through a warning sent to CS ambassadors. Are there any new developments? I would really like to be able to have the most up to date information. This man is truly appalling and I would like to know if anything ever materialized with the Interpol investigation. Thank you.
lady lady ladyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!
Too much time from my previous host, I need to find soon a place available to show my macho features, any lady available????
Hi Dave, how’s it going? Really sorry man, but this comment is unrelated to this post. Since I’m not sure you really read comments on “past” issues, I saw as more certain writing in this space. So, it’s concerning the Cristiano de Angelis case. I just had an idea, and would like to suggest it to you. I read the wikipedia article in “CouchSurfing” and there you can read about a Moroccan guy who raped a hosted he had at his place in the UK. Of course, the country and the nationality don’t mean anything, I’m just reporting as it is stated. Anyway, I thought “what if we – or some bona fide wikipedia member – wrote at least about the repercursion of the De Angelis case in the page?” That would be a lot of publicity, don’t you think? Without forgetting to say the (no)reaction of CouchSurfing.org and the member’s criticism and action. Just an idea. What you say?
Note:
Cristiano just recently tried to post a “CS apology” email sent by a Trevor Cox, CS ambassador in Tokyo. Upon checking with Trevor, it unsurprisingly turned out that the email content was made up by Cristiano.
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There is a way you can file a claim. Contact the Brazillian embassy and present the data shown below. This is a reproduction of an legal authorization from the government given for Cristiano Trindade de Angelis to study abroad as a public employee and that can surely identify him for the brazilian representatives.
SECRETARIA EXECUTIVA
DESPACHOS DO SECRETÁRIO EXECUTIVO
Em 20 de maio de 2010
O SECRETÁRIO EXECUTIVO DO MINISTÉRIO DO PLANEJAMENTO, ORÇAMENTO E GESTÃO, no uso da competência que lhe foi subdelegada pela Portaria MP nº 195, de 3 de julho de 2007, e tendo em vista o disposto no inciso IV do art. 1º do Decreto nº 1.387, de 7 de fevereiro de 1995, e suas alterações, e considerando a necessidade da participação nos eventos, autoriza o afastamento do País de
CRISTIANO TRINDADE DE ANGELIS, Analista de Planejamento e Orçamento, em exercício na Superintendência do Patrimônio da União no Estado de Santa Catarina – SPU/SC, para cursar o Doutorado em Engenharia de Produção na Universidade de Pádua, na ITÁLIA, no período de 21 de maio de 2010 a 31 de dezembro de 2012, incluído o trânsito, com ônus limitado, processo nº 04972.000732/2010-43, revogando a autorização concedida ao afastamento parcial para o curso de Doutorado em Gestão do Conhecimento da Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina, processo nº 04972.000039/2009-37.
I found also the number of his social security card, CPF 90952364004. I think it will be easy to identify him.
I was hosted by Cristinano in Italy and I haven’t not met Dave in person only communicated with emails. I’m visiting Brazil and had the opportunity to talk to Cristiano in recent months. When he hosted me in Venice, I met his ex-girlfriend and her friend. His ex-girlfriend is a very smart Italian medical. Likewise, his Brazilian Glenio is super cool and the of being is incredible. Cristiano gave me a lot of information when I am traveling in Brazil.
It is only my experience with Cristiano.
I do not want to comment anything between Cristiano and other people because I do not know the fact. But I think In the blog it is difficult for him to defend for himself. I would like that Dave can give him a chance to put his feedback about the blog post.
Dave, please do not remove Cristiano’s comment in your blog so that he can have a chance to explain. I think it is fair for both of you.
@Leo: I have not removed a single “response” from Cristiano (in fact, if you go through the comments, you will see quite a few of his borderline psychopathic replies). The only comments of his that I have removed are 1) the ones that involved other people’s “testimonies” (/emails etc) that turned out to be entirely fake when I checked with them 2) his recurrent trolling with messages along the line of “Wooo, girls, come get naked with me, I’m a Brazilian sex god”… I have been more than fair with him (although, honestly, letting his schizophrenic personality shine in these comments is probably not helping him).
I am happy for you that you had a positive experience with him, but the case is pretty much long closed: Cristiano is dangerous to women and has some serious mental issues (as shown through his own comments here). Behaving like a normal human being with one person (eg. you) doesn’t change much to that.
I think you are insulting schizophrenics by saying he has a schizophrenic personality. My brother is schizophrenic and far from being sociopathic, nor does my brother utter tons of gibberish or lies whether he is hallucinating or not.
Anyway, thank you for sharing all of this. I fully believe this accusation of rape, after reading everything. Even if that were made up, the dude is about as close to a rapist as you can get without actually being one. That’s merely stereotyping to say that “sociopaths are all smooth criminals.” Besides, what does that even mean? Rapists can be stupid, smart, sociopathic or not, serial or one-time… but I can guarantee you almost no rapist will ever admit to it in his lifetime, knowing how extremely condemned it is in every society, even the ones that LOVE punishing the victim. He would bet his life on defending himself against any accusations, hence all the b.s. about false rape accusations.
I’ve been harassed plenty of times, and it’s an all-too-common pattern. I don’t think every guy who’s harassed me is a bad guy or that he would ever come close to raping myself or anyone else – but then there are those who you have to seriously be afraid of, and they exhibit patterns on another level, which is the level this guy sounds like he’s on. I have hung out with a guy like that before, and I knew I was being unsafe when I did it, but I decided to take that risk… luckily, no rape was involved, but there was definitely some major harassment. It was a low point in my life that I’ll never return to. I later heard the guy had been fired from working at Le Pain Quotidien for harassing multiple coworkers. He was one of those guys like Cristiano who blabber on and on in gibberish half the time like they’re dumb as shit, and when I told him to get off of me, he just stared at me and didn’t move, as if my words hadn’t even registered in his mind. Even the relatively harmless harassers share this in common with every other harasser that I’ve encountered: when you say no, it’s like it doesn’t even register in their minds that you said anything until you start kicking and screaming at the top of your lungs and get really nasty and have repeated yourself a hundred times. I am just imagining that this was the scenario with this dumb guy. He climbed into her bed, she told him to get the hell out, and he just continued what he was doing as if he’d never heard her… perhaps in his mind, combined with his complete inability to comprehend rejection, she even did – as he claims – “want it.”
@Tlax: I think you are committing a logical fallacy when assuming my mention of schizophrenia has to be read as an insult to all schizophrenics… I was not trying to imply that all schizophrenics are rapists (or even potential rapists), merely that Cristiano’s behaviour and writing are quite evocative of schizophrenia symptoms. But as I also said elsewhere on this page, I don’t really care to come up with a clinical diagnostic (which wouldn’t be worth much, based merely on these interactions): that’s not my job and his actions speak loudly enough as it is.
At the very least, I think we can all agree that he is quite deranged and, indeed, does not seem likely to admit any fault any time soon. He recently somehow managed to enroll some unwitting third party he had recently met, into contacting me to lobby for his cause… All the while posting his usual rambling/offensive comments (which I now delete, as they absolutely do not add anything to the debate, except to confirm he is gone off the deep end): the mind boggles…
Hello Dave,
First of all, I would ask you, as my friend Leo,please, not delete this message. Anyway, if you do so, this time, I will ask my friends to post this message in CS web site as well.
Second, I would ask if you could to prove, at least, that I posted in this blog all the insane messages that you accused me of posting.
You and other participants of this blog, based on these false messages, are creating a big scandal. I have already said (please, take a look at my old messages below) that: “People write in my name, say they know me or they have seen me, but I’ve never seen them or been there. All people should be responsible for their actions as an invasion of my privacy and publication of false Cristiano comments.
In detail, at the beginning of this whole long story, I requested the email of the girl who wanted proof that the train ticket was stolen, but the girl did not respond. I also was surprised by the accusation, since there is no sense in a person appearing so long after the fact at the police to tell a story without any evidence. As I saw in the first page of this blog, the Japanese police were surprised too. As I had already explained, a girl who lives in a building full of neighbors and cameras in the hallways, the least that she could have done was to scream for help.
It is just one word against the another, with no evidences, only accusations thrown into the air. If we compare, a ticket that disappeared, with only two people in the apartment, is actually more than accusing someone of rape without any evidence, either physical or verbal.
Your comments and accusations are an attempt to get people to believe you without offering any proof what so ever. When you considerer that on top of refusing to let me post on your blog, you post fake Cristiano messages it makes you highly suspect.
The damages with respect to the difficulties with the Italian university, my job, my friends and family are irreparable. Anyway, I am suing the host site of the blog throw the American justice system in LA, the city where the host is located, for moral and financial damage and I am waiting for the outcome.
[copy-paste of past posted comments removed]
Cristiano,
For the one and last time: I haven’t deleted any of your comments (there are now half a dozen of your comments spread across all entries to this blog), except for a few times where you posted vulgar and offensive statements irrelevant to this case (other than to show that you are psychologically imbalanced). Nor did I make up or let anybody make up any of the comments that appear under your name (I did delete one or two impostors/jokers that were using the pseudonym ‘christiano’ to post here): all comments under your name (including those rambling, offensive ones) were posted by you and I have the server logs to prove it.
As for “one word against another”, the dozens of testimonies above beg to differ.
Finally, to everybody who might be somewhat concerned: Cristiano’s “lawsuit” against me or my host is just yet another of his usual fabrication. There has been no such attempt, and if there were, my lawyer and I would be all too happy to answer it.
Good morning, Dave.
Let me introduce myself: I am Glenio Franca, a friend of Cristiano. I live in Rio de Janeiro and work for the Brazilian federal government like Cristiano. (Unlike some of the other commenters, it’s easy to find me on Facebook.)
As you know, Cristiano is away studying for his Doctorate. He told me about the rape accusation. And I have something to say.
First of all, I realize that Cristiano can be a very difficult person, but none of the evidence points to him being a rapist. I know my friend and I believe that there was sex, but with the girl’s consent. One thing is asking to have sex: it can be impolite but is not a crime. Another thing is forcing someone to have sex, which was not the case. According to the reports I’ve read, he tried, but when a girl said a definitive NO to him, he stopped. He didn’t insist.
So, all the reports only contribute to confirm that Cristiano had limits to his behavior. There were many ways your friend could have refused to have sex with Cris, like the other girls did. In her report, I can’t see a threat, physical or psychological violence or drugs involved. These things normally are characteristic of rape.
Did the neighbors hear any loud protest cry for help? Why didn’t she scream? Because as I said before, to be considered rape threats, some type of force or incapacitation is necessary. It seems that none of these things happened. So, once again, why no loud protest?
I don’t know exactly why she is doing this. But I can suggest a few possible reasons. Lets list the events in order.
1. He was a none paying guest in her apartament, which is part of a large apartament complex.
2. He had sex with her.
3. She was accused of stealing Cristiano’s train ticket.
4. Cristiano threatened her with going to the police.
5. After being accused and Cristiano leaving her apartment she wrote to Dave and complained to her friends.
6. Her friends convinced her to go to the police even though she was hesitant.
7. She only went to the police after Cristiano left Japan. She had full knowledge of his departure date.
8. The police refused to register the case, probably because they were suspicious and therefore did not bring charges.
Maybe she accused him just because he had accused her first. Perhaps if he hadn’t accused her she wouldn’t have accused him. In other words, she may have accused him in order to defend herself from his accusation. And she didn’t want to go to the police while Cristiano was still in Japan because she knew it would work against her. I don’t know if it happened this way because, without proof, everything that we think about this case are just suppositions. You should remember this when you write in your blog because what ever we believe is nothing more than our opinion without proof.
Changing the subject a little, about the email from the CS Ambassador, I saw the email and see no indication of it being false. And I saw another email from him, that beyond confirming the first email the CS Ambassador offered sympathy, support and advice to Cristiano about this case.
Finally, I don’t think that you are doing this to my friend through bad intention, but that you truly believe in your friend’s version. But is it not possible that you are being mislead?
Respectfully,
Glenio
Glenio,
First of all, in case you haven’t, please read all three entries related to Cristiano’s case. The last one answers at length pretty much anything that could be said about it. You will forgive me for not wanting to spend more time on this pathetic story than I have so far: there is unfortunately not much more that can or will be done about it and Cristiano likely never will have to answer for his actions in Japan, but few things would make me take this warning down (and considering Cristiano’s behaviour ever since, it definitely serves its purpose).
Most of your comments are answered elsewhere on this site, but a few more points:
– You are right that the evidence against Cristiano is mostly circumstantial (aside from his word against hers). But the circumstances are overwhelmingly in his disfavour. Not *one* woman who interacted with him during his Asian trip had anything nice to say about him (and I don’t care about what his sister or his best friend at home has to say)… On the other hand, dozens of unrelated people have witnessed behaviours of his that ranged from unpalatable to outright unpleasant and threatening. And when you say that other testimonials mentioned him backing off when told to, that is not accurate: many, if not most, women mentioned telling him repeatedly and unambiguously to leave them alone, to little result. And these women were usually not alone and/or in public places.
The laundry list of “negative” (to put it lightly) things that can be provably attributed to Cristiano, from outright lies and fabrications to abuse of the CS system, leaves very little room to the “he’s just a misunderstood guy” narrative.
– On the other hand, you will be hard-pressed to find a single negative testimony against my friend, out of the dozens of people she hosted and helped during their travels. Which takes us to the next point: trying to insert Cristiano’s bizarre story of stolen train ticket into the mix is even less credible. To people who know my friend personally, such outlandish accusation would only further discredit him, but his later comments on it (including some obviously fabricated story about the train company confirming that “somebody had tried to exchange the ticket”) made it truly obvious for any third party with the slightest knowledge about how these things work in Japan…
– Finally: about the mail from that “CS Ambassador” (keeping in mind that such a title means very little and certainly doesn’t mean he would be speaking on behalf of CS, which has kept a diplomatically low profile and abstained from any comment on this): I have an email from him directly denying ever having written what Cristiano quoted him as saying. Therefore either of two things: 1) Cristiano is lying or 2) the CS ambassador is lying (and does not feel like backing up his own words). Either way: not of much interest to the case…
I am sure you are not a particularly bad person, Glenio, and you are right to take accusations against somebody you know with a grain of salt. However, from where I stand, there is little room left for doubt. And nowhere enough to back down on these accusations (if Cristiano really wants to clear his name, he is most welcome to come to Kyoto and confront his accuser). Also, you will forgive me for not wanting to engage much deeper in that old topic, but considering the number of people Cristiano regularly convinces to contact me in order to advocate on his behalf (some of which have barely met him), I could be spending the rest of my life repeating myself here…
David,
Although you finally admit that it is one word against another, without proofs and evidence, I will make a few words on behalf of my friend Cristiano, who I met through CS three year ago.
You quote in your last post that several women had problems with him, but I did not see any problem he had with any woman except this false history of this Japanese girl. You even deleted several positive references ( more than 13) that he received in CS, as well as presents at the end of the messages posted by him.
Another thing he talked to me, you can not say with 100% certainty that all other” Cristianos “who posted unscrupulous messages were done by the real Cristiano, based on the location of the computers’ IP, for example a message posted in Rome. It is more than one year that Cristiano no longer lives in Italy. He tried to posted the three messages that he posted in this blog ( one of them you deleted completely) in his last message, but you removed.
To conclude this discussion generated by many people who wrote without accurate knowledge and analysis of the situation, I would say the following:
While the generation y seeks to acquire and create more and more information without worrying about credibility, but simply moved by emotion (generation of smarters). Rather, the challenge that presents itself to Generation Z is to learn to select, analyze, intregrate, interpret the information before making a decision (generation of intelligents). This is a process that takes time, because it involves maturity, development of competences and adaptation.
@Ricardo:
I did not “admit that it is one’s word against another”. I conceded the obvious fact that there was no material evidence (as is very often the case in occurrences of rape). And while there were no witness to Cristiano’s actions while he was there, there is ample evidence of his many attempts to hide his past behaviours and further damning testimonies regarding his actions before and after. There is such a thing as character witnesses in the judicial system (which this is not: it is me making the case that I have zero reason to trust him one second).
About positive references: please do me a favour and read the other blog entries if you want to discuss this. I think I have made my case often enough not to repeat it again. The bottom line is that I contacted every single CSer he gave out to the world as “supporting his good character” (he of course did not think it necessary to ask them if they minded being mentioned in public forums outside of CS). Of the ones that replied, most gave a *very* different version from their “positive” reference and even the ones that had nothing negative, did not feel that they wanted their name associated with him. Only 3 people (who also posted in the comments to this blog) did not change their words and gave him full support. That’s very nice for him, but as I explained a thousand times, finding three people that find you nice, does not erase the dozens of people who thought you were an abusive asshole.
Regarding “fake” Cristiano postings: trust me, you don’t want to go there. I have worked long enough in IT that I know my way around a server log. I know exactly when, where and with what device he posted his comments. I doubt there are hundreds of Cristiano impersonators out there posting from their iPad with the exact same language and OS settings. The message posted from Rome, was posted at the very same time he was hosted by a CSer in Rome (said CSer is part of the very few people who supported him and emailed me at the time)… Whatever makes you think he was not in Rome then: you are wrong.
I only removed 2 kind of messages (for a total of maybe 2 or 3 messages, some of them repeated a few times):
1) his copy-paste of “positive” references. I just explained why (but I never removed any verified comments in support of him that were posted on this blog).
2) his more repetitive and vile messages about being some sort of latino demi-god that get all the girls etc. etc. (and frankly: I did him a favour by removing these… they clearly show his true side as a deranged individual).
As a final word, I should add that, in addition to the overwhelming string of damning testimonies I copied on my blog, I have received a number of private communications from people who had been in close contact with Cristiano (through all sorts of channels) and wanted to share their own horror stories about him. Though they did not want to make it public, they gave me all necessary evidence to verify their identity and credibility…
So I can assure you that you are wasting your time trying to convince me that your “good friend” is the victim of a big misunderstanding…