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		<title>By: e-okul karne sonuçları</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-458021</link>
		<dc:creator>e-okul karne sonuçları</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I love SK better than Akismet dr dave ;-). Unfortunately, I, too, am a student so money is pretty tight for me. So in the mean time, I can only help you with a dirt and mortar help such as writing FAQ or attending forums a couple of hours every day (or week?). Just let me know if you need any help.
thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I love SK better than Akismet dr dave <img src='http://unknowngenius.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Unfortunately, I, too, am a student so money is pretty tight for me. So in the mean time, I can only help you with a dirt and mortar help such as writing FAQ or attending forums a couple of hours every day (or week?). Just let me know if you need any help.<br />
thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Spam Karma State &#171; Akismet</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-362164</link>
		<dc:creator>Spam Karma State &#171; Akismet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] author of Spam Karma 2 (SK2), has written an interesting essay on his take on comment spam entitled The State of Spam [Karma]. It&#8217;s a good read if you&#8217;re into this sort of thing. SK2 was one of the first really [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] author of Spam Karma 2 (SK2), has written an interesting essay on his take on comment spam entitled The State of Spam [Karma]. It&#8217;s a good read if you&#8217;re into this sort of thing. SK2 was one of the first really [...]</p>
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		<title>By: c0ldfyr3</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-194382</link>
		<dc:creator>c0ldfyr3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-Spam is a joke to be honest. I hate spam but please let me tell you a story.

I created an application to send text messages using www.vodafone.ie. Now this you say is no impressive task but let me continue.

Their system is setup much like an anti spam system. It checks the time it took you to input a text, the time it took you to log on, the time it took you to take a cup of tea and everything else it can.

Wanna know how I got around it? Simple... I created an application which basically mimics a user. First it opens www.vodafone.ie, it then waits 4 seconds and then inputs the user and password and clicks submit. It then waits a couple of seconds and clicks &quot;SMS Messages&quot; and then allows you to enter as many characters as you want. Their version only allows 160 so what mine does is it splits the text into 154 length chunks and adds a ... to the end and beginning of each text. It waits about 5 seconds between each text to make the server think it&#039;s an actual person typing it in. And know what? I know for a fact there is absolutely no way to tell the difference beteween it and an actual person without causing more harm than good.

I know it&#039;s not pretty but face facts o.O

Replies to email only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-Spam is a joke to be honest. I hate spam but please let me tell you a story.</p>
<p>I created an application to send text messages using <a href="http://www.vodafone.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.vodafone.ie</a>. Now this you say is no impressive task but let me continue.</p>
<p>Their system is setup much like an anti spam system. It checks the time it took you to input a text, the time it took you to log on, the time it took you to take a cup of tea and everything else it can.</p>
<p>Wanna know how I got around it? Simple&#8230; I created an application which basically mimics a user. First it opens <a href="http://www.vodafone.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.vodafone.ie</a>, it then waits 4 seconds and then inputs the user and password and clicks submit. It then waits a couple of seconds and clicks &#8220;SMS Messages&#8221; and then allows you to enter as many characters as you want. Their version only allows 160 so what mine does is it splits the text into 154 length chunks and adds a &#8230; to the end and beginning of each text. It waits about 5 seconds between each text to make the server think it&#8217;s an actual person typing it in. And know what? I know for a fact there is absolutely no way to tell the difference beteween it and an actual person without causing more harm than good.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not pretty but face facts o.O</p>
<p>Replies to email only.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-150141</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SK2 is the best spam killer- but is there a way to get it to work together with AJAX comments?
http://www.mikesmullin.com/2006/06/05/ajax-comments-20/.

When both plugins are on, strange things seem to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SK2 is the best spam killer- but is there a way to get it to work together with AJAX comments?<br />
<a href="http://www.mikesmullin.com/2006/06/05/ajax-comments-20/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mikesmullin.com/2006/06/05/ajax-comments-20/</a>.</p>
<p>When both plugins are on, strange things seem to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-150033</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for helping us keep up, in the anti-spam arms race.

I have noticed a fair number of people (or robots) finding my site by searching for the SK2 &quot;spams eaten&quot; footer. Perhaps those are bots targetting SK2 protected sites specifically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for helping us keep up, in the anti-spam arms race.</p>
<p>I have noticed a fair number of people (or robots) finding my site by searching for the SK2 &#8220;spams eaten&#8221; footer. Perhaps those are bots targetting SK2 protected sites specifically.</p>
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		<title>By: Jinge</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-144732</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can I set SK2 to NOT override my own moderation??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can I set SK2 to NOT override my own moderation??</p>
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		<title>By: Kokul</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-83816</link>
		<dc:creator>Kokul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this great plugin. I plan to switch to it from Akismet (no clue how the third party server it relies on will remain fast and last in the long term).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this great plugin. I plan to switch to it from Akismet (no clue how the third party server it relies on will remain fast and last in the long term).</p>
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		<title>By: John T</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-73819</link>
		<dc:creator>John T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. I use email as a primary communication tool, and I am a low capability computer user. Is your program appropriate for me, or is a blog site a different kind of application. I would appreciate any help or advice you would have time to share, and I would be happy to donate/pay. I am a medical researcher, but receive spam from a multitude of sources. Thank you for any advice or help. John Tarvin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I use email as a primary communication tool, and I am a low capability computer user. Is your program appropriate for me, or is a blog site a different kind of application. I would appreciate any help or advice you would have time to share, and I would be happy to donate/pay. I am a medical researcher, but receive spam from a multitude of sources. Thank you for any advice or help. John Tarvin</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-39314</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, thank you. Seriously. I know I didn&#039;t donate much cause, well... I don&#039;t have much money. I do, however, write documentation at work for web applications and stuff, so if you need help with documentation or FAQ&#039;s have your people call my people and uh... yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you. Seriously. I know I didn&#8217;t donate much cause, well&#8230; I don&#8217;t have much money. I do, however, write documentation at work for web applications and stuff, so if you need help with documentation or FAQ&#8217;s have your people call my people and uh&#8230; yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-35025</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks champ - I was about to go insane after about a week of ridiculously high and increasing levels of blog spam (besides the normal email spam I get in my 10+ mailboxes) ... so you&#039;ve returned sanity to at least one part of my life.

Sorry for the stingy donation - but we can&#039;t have millionaire Wordpress plugin developers now, can we :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks champ &#8211; I was about to go insane after about a week of ridiculously high and increasing levels of blog spam (besides the normal email spam I get in my 10+ mailboxes) &#8230; so you&#8217;ve returned sanity to at least one part of my life.</p>
<p>Sorry for the stingy donation &#8211; but we can&#8217;t have millionaire Wordpress plugin developers now, can we <img src='http://unknowngenius.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-34875</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Captchas: work. Despite the ultra-theoretical “captcha breaking” scheme urban legend, spammers aren’t about to break a captcha on your blog. The big downside of Captchas, is that they are extremely user-unfriendly, intrusive and most of all: hurt accessibility (how do blind users do?).&quot;

How do blind users do what? some Captcha algorithms also offer to make the chars being spoken through a wave-file generation (click on the picture to hear the char-sequence).
Using a little algorithm to add random patterns of noise to the audio so the spoken char is still audible enough to be recognised by the human ear, but fooling fourier algorithms to analyse the audio and extract the character from it.

Blocking Ip&#039;s is another thing, i know there are a lot of open proxy servers, why can&#039;t they be blacklisted using a similar globally deployed detection protocol like being used for open relay mail-servers?

There are various sites that publish open (or anonymous) proxy servers, 2 hints:
http://tools.rosinstrument.com/proxy/
http://www.atomintersoft.com/products/alive-proxy/proxy-list/

You can make use of those sites by updating your ip-blocking list.
I know it&#039;s not friendly to block proxy ip&#039;s, but i call it stupid of srever- hosts to make their server wide open in the first place.

To prevent nagging from victims of a false positive, yield expressions and accusations but rather inform a user that he/she is denied submission because one of the situations is applicable like:
-User uses an IP from an open proxy server that is blacklisted
-User uses a (dynamic) IP that has been registered earlier for spam origination.
-Submitted urls are listed as spam-sites or contain unrelevant information to the contents of this site
-Too many spam-related keywords detected used in the submitted text.

It sounds formal yet will bring a lot more understanding than shouting an accusing phrase (&quot;You are  a dirty spammer!&quot; or whatever similar a legitimate poster is being confronted with).

Regards,

Vince.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Captchas: work. Despite the ultra-theoretical “captcha breaking” scheme urban legend, spammers aren’t about to break a captcha on your blog. The big downside of Captchas, is that they are extremely user-unfriendly, intrusive and most of all: hurt accessibility (how do blind users do?).&#8221;</p>
<p>How do blind users do what? some Captcha algorithms also offer to make the chars being spoken through a wave-file generation (click on the picture to hear the char-sequence).<br />
Using a little algorithm to add random patterns of noise to the audio so the spoken char is still audible enough to be recognised by the human ear, but fooling fourier algorithms to analyse the audio and extract the character from it.</p>
<p>Blocking Ip&#8217;s is another thing, i know there are a lot of open proxy servers, why can&#8217;t they be blacklisted using a similar globally deployed detection protocol like being used for open relay mail-servers?</p>
<p>There are various sites that publish open (or anonymous) proxy servers, 2 hints:<br />
<a href="http://tools.rosinstrument.com/proxy/" rel="nofollow">http://tools.rosinstrument.com/proxy/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.atomintersoft.com/products/alive-proxy/proxy-list/" rel="nofollow">http://www.atomintersoft.com/products/alive-proxy/proxy-list/</a></p>
<p>You can make use of those sites by updating your ip-blocking list.<br />
I know it&#8217;s not friendly to block proxy ip&#8217;s, but i call it stupid of srever- hosts to make their server wide open in the first place.</p>
<p>To prevent nagging from victims of a false positive, yield expressions and accusations but rather inform a user that he/she is denied submission because one of the situations is applicable like:<br />
-User uses an IP from an open proxy server that is blacklisted<br />
-User uses a (dynamic) IP that has been registered earlier for spam origination.<br />
-Submitted urls are listed as spam-sites or contain unrelevant information to the contents of this site<br />
-Too many spam-related keywords detected used in the submitted text.</p>
<p>It sounds formal yet will bring a lot more understanding than shouting an accusing phrase (&#8220;You are  a dirty spammer!&#8221; or whatever similar a legitimate poster is being confronted with).</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Vince.</p>
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		<title>By: Laender</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-34243</link>
		<dc:creator>Laender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work! Its a amazing plugin and I wish you luck and staying power for the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work! Its a amazing plugin and I wish you luck and staying power for the future!</p>
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		<title>By: Agentur Regenbogenbr</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-32298</link>
		<dc:creator>Agentur Regenbogenbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: No easy way to combat blog spam at NevilleHobson.com</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-31775</link>
		<dc:creator>No easy way to combat blog spam at NevilleHobson.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And then I encountered some more reading about spam, this time a post by Dr Dave, the creator of the Spam Karma anti-spam plugin for WordPress, entitled The State of Spam [Karma]. Dr Dave has some interesting commentary on the overall picture re blog spam, especially a tech-ish analysis of spam bots and what they do. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And then I encountered some more reading about spam, this time a post by Dr Dave, the creator of the Spam Karma anti-spam plugin for WordPress, entitled The State of Spam [Karma]. Dr Dave has some interesting commentary on the overall picture re blog spam, especially a tech-ish analysis of spam bots and what they do. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-30999</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unknowngenius.com/blog/?p=1348#comment-30999</guid>
		<description>Let me jump in, being the author of Pivot Blacklist. HashCash is originally a WP plugin created by Elliott Back. While it still works rather well I believe it&#039;s a dead end. As Dave indicates, bots are getting too smart. If a bot runs the javascript, nothing&#039;s gonna stop it.

What&#039;s still quite effective though is the &#039;spam quiz&#039; idea. A bot will have a seriously hard time answering trivial questions, especially if each blog uses a different one. It defeats all spam except for manual spam of course. If your blog happens to be in a non-english language the protection is even better because manual spammers will need to understand the language the question was written in ;)

I must admit though, I haven&#039;t seen much of the really smart bots yet. My own blog doesn&#039;t have any protection enabled at all at the moment. I use a custom AJAX comment submission scheme. There&#039;s no form action to be scraped. Instead the form submission is hidden inside the javascript. A bot which executes the javascript would be able to beat this but... so far this has never happened on my weblog. When it does I&#039;ll need to throw in the spam quiz thing. 

If you combine the spamquiz thing with a cookie to remember the answer I think it&#039;s as unobtrusive as possible. Unlike captcha&#039;s, blind people can use it and it can&#039;t be beaten with any script (except for hardcore AI maybe). It&#039;s a ridiculously lo-fi solution compared to SK2, Akismet, Hashcash or AJAX stuff but it works INCREDIBLY well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me jump in, being the author of Pivot Blacklist. HashCash is originally a WP plugin created by Elliott Back. While it still works rather well I believe it&#8217;s a dead end. As Dave indicates, bots are getting too smart. If a bot runs the javascript, nothing&#8217;s gonna stop it.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s still quite effective though is the &#8217;spam quiz&#8217; idea. A bot will have a seriously hard time answering trivial questions, especially if each blog uses a different one. It defeats all spam except for manual spam of course. If your blog happens to be in a non-english language the protection is even better because manual spammers will need to understand the language the question was written in <img src='http://unknowngenius.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I must admit though, I haven&#8217;t seen much of the really smart bots yet. My own blog doesn&#8217;t have any protection enabled at all at the moment. I use a custom AJAX comment submission scheme. There&#8217;s no form action to be scraped. Instead the form submission is hidden inside the javascript. A bot which executes the javascript would be able to beat this but&#8230; so far this has never happened on my weblog. When it does I&#8217;ll need to throw in the spam quiz thing. </p>
<p>If you combine the spamquiz thing with a cookie to remember the answer I think it&#8217;s as unobtrusive as possible. Unlike captcha&#8217;s, blind people can use it and it can&#8217;t be beaten with any script (except for hardcore AI maybe). It&#8217;s a ridiculously lo-fi solution compared to SK2, Akismet, Hashcash or AJAX stuff but it works INCREDIBLY well.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-30323</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SK2 sounds very nice.  I am contemplating using wordpress here soon to try it out.  One tool you might want to look at, if you haven&#039;t already heard about it, is the Pivot Blacklist (http://www.i-marco.nl/wiki/pivot-blacklist) which the Pivot weblog tool (www.pivotlog.net) uses.  It uses OSA, HashCash, and a &quot;SillyQuestion&quot; type of quiz.  So far, this is the most effective anti-spam tool i have ever seen, and that is with just 1 of the options enabled.  I can look at my log and see every spam comment blocked, including the &quot;friendly&quot; spam comments.  An example of what I see:

March 23, 2006, 9:20 pm  60.56.229.13  blocked hashcash violation: (Your site is amaizing. Can I share some  
March 23, 2006, 9:35 pm  200.242.249.70  blocked hashcash violation: (It looks like you really had a nice time 
March 23, 2006, 10:39 pm  68.87.76.148  blocked hashcash violation: (I like your website alot...its lots of f 

And it just keeps on going.  Check it out though.  Maybe there is something from it that you can add, or vice versa.  Marco, the author, also makes WP plugins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SK2 sounds very nice.  I am contemplating using wordpress here soon to try it out.  One tool you might want to look at, if you haven&#8217;t already heard about it, is the Pivot Blacklist (<a href="http://www.i-marco.nl/wiki/pivot-blacklist" rel="nofollow">http://www.i-marco.nl/wiki/pivot-blacklist</a>) which the Pivot weblog tool (www.pivotlog.net) uses.  It uses OSA, HashCash, and a &#8220;SillyQuestion&#8221; type of quiz.  So far, this is the most effective anti-spam tool i have ever seen, and that is with just 1 of the options enabled.  I can look at my log and see every spam comment blocked, including the &#8220;friendly&#8221; spam comments.  An example of what I see:</p>
<p>March 23, 2006, 9:20 pm  60.56.229.13  blocked hashcash violation: (Your site is amaizing. Can I share some<br />
March 23, 2006, 9:35 pm  200.242.249.70  blocked hashcash violation: (It looks like you really had a nice time<br />
March 23, 2006, 10:39 pm  68.87.76.148  blocked hashcash violation: (I like your website alot&#8230;its lots of f </p>
<p>And it just keeps on going.  Check it out though.  Maybe there is something from it that you can add, or vice versa.  Marco, the author, also makes WP plugins.</p>
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		<title>By: monotonous dot net&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Battling Spam</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-27703</link>
		<dc:creator>monotonous dot net&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Battling Spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I kind of wish everyone could use Spam Karma, by Doctor Dave. That&#8217;s my anti-spam solution, and it&#8217;s pretty good. Is it 100% perfect? no. But it does get almost all of the spam, with very few false positives. There are a few people who sometimes get caught in the anti-spam net, but it&#8217;s a pretty small number. If you have a WordPress blog, I highly recommend the Spam Karma 2 plugin. If you don&#8217;t have a wordpress blog, and are still using blogger or typepad, my only question is &#8220;why?&#8221;    &#171; I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a story here somewhere&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I kind of wish everyone could use Spam Karma, by Doctor Dave. That&#8217;s my anti-spam solution, and it&#8217;s pretty good. Is it 100% perfect? no. But it does get almost all of the spam, with very few false positives. There are a few people who sometimes get caught in the anti-spam net, but it&#8217;s a pretty small number. If you have a WordPress blog, I highly recommend the Spam Karma 2 plugin. If you don&#8217;t have a wordpress blog, and are still using blogger or typepad, my only question is &#8220;why?&#8221;    &laquo; I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a story here somewhere&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: X-Tra Rant &#187; New Spam</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-26095</link>
		<dc:creator>X-Tra Rant &#187; New Spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m starting to see some of the new &#8220;smart spam&#8221; mentioned in this Spam Karma update. Marvelous. It&#8217;s slipping right through, although the last one actually went into moderation so maybe SK2 is learning. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m starting to see some of the new &#8220;smart spam&#8221; mentioned in this Spam Karma update. Marvelous. It&#8217;s slipping right through, although the last one actually went into moderation so maybe SK2 is learning. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reema</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-2/#comment-25968</link>
		<dc:creator>Reema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
       Hey now a days really comment spam issue is rising , we need to take a serious step for the same. i m doing a project on filtering this comment spams, for that i require some comment spam samples but i m unable to get it. So could u plz help me by sending them on my mail.
It would be of great help to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
       Hey now a days really comment spam issue is rising , we need to take a serious step for the same. i m doing a project on filtering this comment spams, for that i require some comment spam samples but i m unable to get it. So could u plz help me by sending them on my mail.<br />
It would be of great help to me.</p>
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		<title>By: dr Dave</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-1/#comment-25950</link>
		<dc:creator>dr Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Aine&lt;/i&gt;
Yea, I reckon SK2.2 should temporarily give us back the advantage over spambots. Let&#039;s see how long that will last (I&#039;d say at least a month or two), and at any rate, I&#039;m not planning to sleep on it.
BTW, be careful if you downloaded SK2.2 right after the announcement: it contained a very stupid and nasty bug in its filters. Make sure you are running SK2.2 final &lt;strong&gt;rev 2&lt;/strong&gt; (can be seen on SK2&#039;s main page).

&lt;i&gt;Fini&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed, I mentioned that in the comments above, but basically I am not at all surprised and can think of many ways spambots could be driving browsers... Unfortunately that means all filtering systems relying on &quot;imperfections&quot; of spambots (the way they would miss small details in headers and such) are gonna become irrelevant eventually. Since it was never something I relied on that much, this is not the end of it for now... But we&#039;ll need to work on other areas to catch spambots...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Aine</i><br />
Yea, I reckon SK2.2 should temporarily give us back the advantage over spambots. Let&#8217;s see how long that will last (I&#8217;d say at least a month or two), and at any rate, I&#8217;m not planning to sleep on it.<br />
BTW, be careful if you downloaded SK2.2 right after the announcement: it contained a very stupid and nasty bug in its filters. Make sure you are running SK2.2 final <strong>rev 2</strong> (can be seen on SK2&#8217;s main page).</p>
<p><i>Fini</i></p>
<p>Indeed, I mentioned that in the comments above, but basically I am not at all surprised and can think of many ways spambots could be driving browsers&#8230; Unfortunately that means all filtering systems relying on &#8220;imperfections&#8221; of spambots (the way they would miss small details in headers and such) are gonna become irrelevant eventually. Since it was never something I relied on that much, this is not the end of it for now&#8230; But we&#8217;ll need to work on other areas to catch spambots&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fini</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-1/#comment-25925</link>
		<dc:creator>Fini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most importantly, the spam bypasses SK2’s Javascript filter, which indicates an ability to parse javascript.&quot;

Hi Dr. Dave, 
Regarding your comments about spambots mimicking users, I think it&#039;s a fair assumption that most spambots are actually remote controlled browser clients, I have made this kind app for a web-test tool and it really made things simpler for simulation purposes because of JS, CSS+IMG loading, headers etc. are all the real deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most importantly, the spam bypasses SK2’s Javascript filter, which indicates an ability to parse javascript.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hi Dr. Dave,<br />
Regarding your comments about spambots mimicking users, I think it&#8217;s a fair assumption that most spambots are actually remote controlled browser clients, I have made this kind app for a web-test tool and it really made things simpler for simulation purposes because of JS, CSS+IMG loading, headers etc. are all the real deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Aine</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-1/#comment-25588</link>
		<dc:creator>Aine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Dave,
Looks like the update to 2.2 might have temporarily taken care of the problem. I noted the difference between before and after updating with a particularly bothersome url getting through. After the update, it got thrown into Hell. I know this may not hold for long, but for now, that irritating bother has been stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Dave,<br />
Looks like the update to 2.2 might have temporarily taken care of the problem. I noted the difference between before and after updating with a particularly bothersome url getting through. After the update, it got thrown into Hell. I know this may not hold for long, but for now, that irritating bother has been stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-1/#comment-25341</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a donation. You created a superb plugin that works, and I look forward to the future of Spam Karma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a donation. You created a superb plugin that works, and I look forward to the future of Spam Karma.</p>
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		<title>By: Woodcreeper</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-1/#comment-24758</link>
		<dc:creator>Woodcreeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Dave- you&#039;re the man- seriously. Spam Karma is the best kinda Karma there is- and my website would have been a comment-free site a year ago, had it not been for you. My donation will come on Friday, once my paycheck (student stipend- I empathize) clears. The $666.00 is intriguing...I wish I had enough to send you the Number of the Beast. Keep up the great dev work.

Peaceout</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Dave- you&#8217;re the man- seriously. Spam Karma is the best kinda Karma there is- and my website would have been a comment-free site a year ago, had it not been for you. My donation will come on Friday, once my paycheck (student stipend- I empathize) clears. The $666.00 is intriguing&#8230;I wish I had enough to send you the Number of the Beast. Keep up the great dev work.</p>
<p>Peaceout</p>
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		<title>By: Fernashes</title>
		<link>http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2006/01/30/the-state-of-spam-karma/comment-page-1/#comment-24717</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernashes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

From one student to another - Spam Karma is one of the best things about Word Press. In my opinion, without Spam Karm, I wouldn&#039;t even use Word Press. So thanks a millin for making it, keeping it up to date - and keeping it so incredibly painless!

I don&#039;t have much money over, but I&#039;m certainly willing to help write FAQs. Let me know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>From one student to another &#8211; Spam Karma is one of the best things about Word Press. In my opinion, without Spam Karm, I wouldn&#8217;t even use Word Press. So thanks a millin for making it, keeping it up to date &#8211; and keeping it so incredibly painless!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have much money over, but I&#8217;m certainly willing to help write FAQs. Let me know!</p>
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