Comments on: Neurons and Neutrons http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2003/07/04/neurons-and-neutrons/ Chemically-enhanced neural rewiring, on a semi-regular basis... Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:10:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: bronson http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2003/07/04/neurons-and-neutrons/#comment-11 bronson Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:00:00 +0000 http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2003/07/04/neurons-and-neutrons/#comment-11 Theoreticaly, I side with Harold -- there's nothing unique about using a NN versus using conventional (usually frequency-based) mathematical transforms. Both have the capability to slam you right into the lower limit of entropy. In the real world, I suspect David's right. Psycho acoustic encoding is a really, really problem. It's a lot easier to throw 100,000 monkeys into a room and have them press "better" and "worse" buttons (training a NN) than it is to throw 20 mathemeticians in the room and have them come up with anything useful at all. :) Pesky human limitations. :) Theoreticaly, I side with Harold — there’s nothing unique about using a NN versus using conventional (usually frequency-based) mathematical transforms. Both have the capability to slam you right into the lower limit of entropy.

In the real world, I suspect David’s right. Psycho acoustic encoding is a really, really problem. It’s a lot easier to throw 100,000 monkeys into a room and have them press “better” and “worse” buttons (training a NN) than it is to throw 20 mathemeticians in the room and have them come up with anything useful at all. :)

Pesky human limitations. :)

]]> By: dave http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2003/07/04/neurons-and-neutrons/#comment-12 dave Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:00:00 +0000 http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2003/07/04/neurons-and-neutrons/#comment-12 mmm, agreed: that's pretty much my point... theorically possible, maybe, but practically impossible, definitely. I'm finishing the entry right now... what it basically comes down to is: turing's proof and the fact we are talking about computers on one side, levels of complexity and what can be reasonably considered a satisfying mathematical approximation on the other side... oh, BTW, no need to your worry about your email address being harvested by bots, MT is normally configured to mangle the @ and dots into html entities... not 100% sure it is efficient, but so far it seems to have been. mmm, agreed: that’s pretty much my point… theorically possible, maybe, but practically impossible, definitely.

I’m finishing the entry right now…
what it basically comes down to is: turing’s proof and the fact we are talking about computers on one side, levels of complexity and what can be reasonably considered a satisfying mathematical approximation on the other side…

oh, BTW, no need to your worry about your email address being harvested by bots, MT is normally configured to mangle the @ and dots into html entities… not 100% sure it is efficient, but so far it seems to have been.

]]> By: dr Dave http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2003/07/04/neurons-and-neutrons/#comment-13 dr Dave Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000 http://unknowngenius.com/blog/archives/2003/07/04/neurons-and-neutrons/#comment-13 Regarding monkeys and time/number requirements.... here are a few estimates I found on the web :o) Hamlet: 1000 monkeys, eternity. Windows: 10 monkeys, about a week. Windows NT: 10 monkeys, a copy of VMS, and two weeks .NET: All right, who taught the monkeys XML? AIX: 20 monkeys and a truckload of crack. Mac OS: Monkeys aren't that stupid. Mac OS X: Koko was a gorilla, not a monkey. VMS: Monkeys aren't that evil. BSD: 100 monkeys, a bunch of duct tape, and some WD-40 System V: MONKEY is the registered trademark of AT&T Bell Laboratories. Linux: Who needs monkeys when you have drunken Finns? BeOS: 100 monkeys and some glitter. Orange book level A1: I can neither confirm nor deny that monkeys exist. Regarding monkeys and time/number requirements….
here are a few estimates I found on the web :o)

Hamlet: 1000 monkeys, eternity.
Windows: 10 monkeys, about a week.
Windows NT: 10 monkeys, a copy of VMS, and two weeks
.NET: All right, who taught the monkeys XML?
AIX: 20 monkeys and a truckload of crack.
Mac OS: Monkeys aren’t that stupid.
Mac OS X: Koko was a gorilla, not a monkey.
VMS: Monkeys aren’t that evil.
BSD: 100 monkeys, a bunch of duct tape, and some WD-40
System V: MONKEY is the registered trademark of AT&T Bell Laboratories.
Linux: Who needs monkeys when you have drunken Finns?
BeOS: 100 monkeys and some glitter.
Orange book level A1: I can neither confirm nor deny that monkeys exist.

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